OK, lets get past rumors, because now I have the actual releases. Very exciting. There is a new Anti-Air tank, with two variants, the Stalker and the Hunter. They look to be amazing releases, and the codex is larger than any other 6th edition codex. 176 pages!!!! Oh yea, Robin Cruddace is the Author.


This is very cool, it looks like Space Marines are here!
Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.

via anonymous sources
Space Marine Codex
176 pages!!!!! $58
by Robin Cruddace
Cover pic is a close up Ultra Marine pointing forward into battle

War Zone: Damnos
by Phil Kelly
68pages $33

Space Marine Stalker/Hunter
$65
The three barreled Stalker and the Single large barreled Hunter

Space Marine Reclusiam Command Squad
$90
Includes Razorback 5 man command squad and a space marine chaplin

Space Marine Captain
1 model $30

Space Marine Librarian
1 model $30

Space Marine Strikeforce
39 models $220

Space Marine Centurion Devastator/ Assault Squad
3 models $78

Space Marine Tactical Squad
10 models $40

Space Marine Sternguard
5 models $50

Space Marine Vanguard
5 models $40


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  1. Nice mate! Can you confirm any of the rumours over on my round up post on 40kwarzone?

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    1. I have quite a bit coming today.Very difficult getting to it all.

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    2. You know the other armies in WZ Damnos?

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    3. Ultramarine, imp guard and necrons would be my reckoning

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  2. I was going to joke about Cruddace being the author...

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    1. Well, it's not Ward, but I'm not sure this is going to be better...

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    2. It can't get any more bland than the chaos marine dex, so thats not a problem.

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    3. Cruddace has shown excellent synergy between units in his WFB Army Books and is getting better at not charging units for possible combinations. Expect HQ choices to have better effects than 'move to Troops' or 'Fearless... Wooo'.

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    4. While he did a straight up awful job on my beloved Tyranids, Cruddace did a good job on the Guard. Honestly, I'm kind of looking forward to this one. I doubt I'll add another army to my collection (nids, sisters, tau, Krieg), but this edition is looking good.

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    5. Synergy in WH40K = severe handicap. We learned it at the hard way with Nids and Sisters.

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    6. He did a good job on guard because it was co-written with Ward.

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    7. Whereas it works very well for necrons and eldar

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    8. I think Ward was probably standing behind him the whole time on this codex... with an axe...

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    9. YES!!! CRUddace marines! I hope it's on par with his epic work, Sisters of Battle.

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    10. Cruddy marines? I'm banking on an IG style OP str 8+ for everyone codex. No way he's making the Nid mistake again.

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    11. In terms of competitiveness - the IG codex has held up, but only due to a few "good" units. Overall the codex has significant internal imbalance. Many units are untake-able in all but the friendliest of games. While IG isn't the flop that nids/sisters were, it doesn't strike me as particularly well written codex either - despite a few overpoweringly strong units.

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    12. Ward wrote the lastarine codex and it was one of the best imho.....cruddace can be good, but he's been hit or miss.....will judge after I read the codex a few times and play a couple games.

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    13. I was being serious though, I would bet money that Ward proof read and checked everything Cruddace wrote.

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    14. If you look up in wikipedia:
      Crud may refer to: dirt, filth or waste, or something of poor quality

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  3. Any idea what's in the strike force?

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    1. I think it will be a Battleforce, maybe the next step: bigger, more expensive and half of the material useless hahahahaha

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    2. Probably just a bundle that saves you no money.

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    3. And remember, you have to buy 5-10 Assault Marines, in each army box, don't mind you will never use them...

      Assault Marines or Bikers hahahah

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    4. I'm guessing it will be 2 tactical squads, 1 sternguard, 1 vanguard, 1 command squad, 1 captain, 1 rhinoback, 1 hunter/stalker and 1 land raider.

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    5. Although on second thoughts that goes way over the given price.

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  4. Is going to include Black Templars rules????
    40kWarZone confirms that BT are going to be included...
    There are any rumour which contradicts these news??

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    1. As the writer of the rumour reports for 40kWarzone you will notice that I haven't "confirmed" anything. I have simply reported on what I have read around the forums. Each set of "rumours" has a source located above it in underline text. The credibility of that source is up to the reader to decide whether they believe it or not.

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    2. Yeah, I know, and that is the reason why I'm looking for another source.
      Don't worry, I'm reading both reports and I know there are only rumours!

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    3. Sorry, maybe "confirms" is a wrong expression, maybe "speculates, insinuates" is a better form.
      sorry if I expressed myself too quickly, I am eager to know the future of BT

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    4. Hey, all the rumors used to say the Dark Angels were going to become part of the Codex Space Marines. It didn't happen. The Templars are so not stand codex Astartes.

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  5. That Reclusiam Command Squad sounds a little odd... I can't think of any other tank + squad + character boxes they've done recently.

    I'm guessing it's a one-click bundle or something similar?

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    1. It sounds to me like both that and the Strike Force are one clickers. Odd there's no Battleforce listed though...

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    2. They typically don't come until a month after the release.

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    3. Clarification needed please, as I am a grammar geek. The post reads, "Includes Razorback 5 man command squad and a space marine chaplin."

      There is no "comma" between "Razorback" and "5" which suggests to me this is simply 6 figures, the "Razorback Command Squad" (whatever this is) and the "Chaplain."

      Please advise...?

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    4. Really? Anyone should be able to figure it out... including a "grammar geek"."

      Razorback , 5 man command squad plus chaplain. So basically it reads to me that you are getting a Razorback, a 5 man Space Marine Command Squad like whats out there now, and a Chaplain.

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    5. command squads for a chaplan is an intresting take on things. I wonder if Librarians will be able to take an "Escort squad" too.

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  6. Anything on new characters or ICs ?

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  7. 78 dollars for the centurion devestators?? Not complaining on price seems on par just hope they live up to the price in game and modelling bits

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    1. yah seriously. wtf? this means they are going to be huge maybe??

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    2. I heard they were on 60 MM so killa kan class maybe?

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  8. Where's the Wardinator? I want OP marines!

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    1. hahahahaha you have the point hahahah

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    2. Probably standing behind Mr Cruddance the entire time with glowing eyes... :p

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  10. 30 bucks for a plastic librarian and Chaplin...that is disappointing to say the least...

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    1. Agreed, I'd be happy with both terminator and power armour options in the kit

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    2. the only disappointment is that I end up dropping $60 on these two, because I'll get 'em regardless.

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    3. and you wonder why they charge what they do ;-)

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    4. At $30.00 buck a pop they had better be like the Chaos Ter Lord. With all the options etc. Other than the recent crapy non poseable guys.

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    5. The recent "crapy" (which isn't a word) static-pose guys are fantastic models with lots of detail. They are often cheap too, which makes me think that's not what these will be.

      When it comes down to it, they can charge whatever they want for Space Marines because it will sell anyway. I don't hate them for that; it's just smart business.

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  11. Well September will be expensive. Any sort of info on the Stalker/Hunter stats? I really hope they are decent.

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  12. Epic Centurion vs. Obliterator Battles!

    Can't wait to have a few of those games.

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  13. The pricing on the HQs seems off for them to be plastic clamshell characters. The new Eldar ones are only $20, and the SM Finecast apoc captains are only $22 Are these possibly multi part kits?

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    1. From what I've read... yes. Multiple head options, etc.

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    2. Would be nice for them to be. Tired of librarian packs being one dimensional and having zero customization.

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    3. I dont see anything about multiple heads on the librarian yet. There is a an optional head for the captain.

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    4. There's a helmet and unhelmet head for the chaplain. The captain and librarian do not get that treatment.

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    5. The characters in plastic so far offered little / no options and are pretty expensive, I would like too if they did include all weapon option and power/ terminator armor. Afterall its like the price of a box of troops.

      For the price of two plastic Nurgle herolds (1HQ slot) I could get a whole box of Plaguebearers and some paints...

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    6. Is the plastic Captain in termie armor?

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    7. "For the price of two plastic Nurgle herolds (1HQ slot) I could get a whole box of Plaguebearers and some paints..."

      Which is why they charge more for characters. GW knows that troops will move in volume (as they are necessary for the game), while characters will only sell 1-2 per army; same with the giant monsters and vehicles. They make the profit back on the kits that move less by hiking up the price. Pretty common business strategy, actually.

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  14. Wait... it just dawned on me. $58 for the codex????
    I realize it's bigger but.. $58?

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    1. Hey, don't forget you could buy a ultra-limited edition with a special cover...

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  15. Does anyone know when the warzone with the rules for the plaguereaperus becoming available? (Without ltd edition)

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  16. CRUDDACE? No! Oh no! (facepalm)
    Another edition without Space Marines...
    Well, craving for the new codex, lost. Now I can paint my Wraithguard quietly.

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    1. You are going to be so wrong.

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    2. I really hope you will be right, because I started to play in 5th edition and since then I want to play Imperial Fists, but Ward eliminate the special rules for each Legion and forcing you to use always special characters.
      Although the new codex recover the specific legions rules, I'm very disappointed with all the Cruddace works: IG, Nids, SoB (oh! My loved SoB, what a disgrace!).
      Then, if each step that has made Cruddace is a big disappointment, the next surely will be too.
      Sadly: Okay...

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    3. @WadoW - If you thought the IG were horrible beforehand, you should see what they were like BEFORE Cruddance got his hands on them. You know where the SoB are right now? Kinda where the IG were at one point in time.

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    4. @Gabriel Smith - I don't know if the 4th IG was worse than 5th. In the current IG codex I've saw a lot of useless units and options like overpriced Ogryns; Vendettas that give you absurd cheap x3 twin-linked lascannons making no sense to get it on heavy platoon weapons; I like platoons system but the orders range (even with Vox-caster) it's a joke.
      Well, this isn't the place to talk about IG deficiencies. The notice is that new SM codex was made by Cruddace and nobody can do nothing to solve it.
      Then: Okay...

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    5. @WadoW - Yeah, belive it or not, the IG used to be EVEN WORSE. Most of the assets from 3rd Edition were completely gutted out, making it very much a monobuild book. With the Doctrines system, everyone picked the exact same ones - I lose count of the number of people who picked Platoon wide Carapace Armour. Things that are ineffectual now were even worse then. Infact when 5th Edition first rolled around, before the Cruddance the army was downright unplayable in Kill Point related games.

      So yes, it could be way, way worse. It also had five writers - Andy Chambers, Pete Haines, Andy Hoare, Phil Kelly and Graham McNeil. Just pointin' that out X3

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    6. Hey, isn't Ward and Cruddance friends? I think Cruddance will just right an OP Marine codex for Ward and Ward give back an even OP IG codex. Battle brothers! lol

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  17. At least it's not Wardmarines, thank merciful gods.

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    1. In case you forgot, Mat Ward wrote the last SM codex. The book which set game balance for two editions and provided a bar against which all codexes thereafter were measured. I'd take Mat Ward above any other codex author.

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    2. The same things that built the internet built the warhammer fan base. Blood, Sweat and Stupidity

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    3. Ward is great on his rules, but terrible with Fluff. Look at his track record; Every Space Marine wants to be an Ultra Marine, Greyknights killing Sisters of Battle, Purifiers being even more incorruptible, and of course every army being the biggest, baddest, most powerful army out there. Hyperbole, every last word.

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    4. Sure that's why Ward, Kelly and Cruddace no longer write fluff and are under a seperate team headed by Jervis. The fluff is written by a group under Darius Hinks.

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    5. @Jagged Red Lines - And yet you forget as well that the Ward has bought upon us Blood Angels, Grey Knights and Necrons if you want to go down that route with us.

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    6. @Gabriel Smith: What's your point? Are you trying to claim OP or "game-ruining" rules? Blood Angels are one of the worst armies in 6th edition; Grey Knights are now middle of the pack; Necrons were only really powerful until more 6th ed books dropped and people found ways to kill fliers.

      Phil Kelly, the one everybody seems to adore, wrote an Eldar codex (end of 4th) that was absurdly broken and solely responsible for the Rending and Sweeping Advance nerfs in 5th. He also wrote Space Wolves, which was the "counts-as" army in 5th for nearly 11 months straight.

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    7. @McDoogle - There we go, Javascript browser broke X3

      My original point was just being relived that Ward wasn't writing the book, given he previously gave us the "Spiritual Liege" meme. That was going to be the end of it there - just one of those stupid comments nobody reads or puts any thought into.

      However, it's devolved into this mess.

      I only have half a working brain, but I think the Marines could have used a break from Ward - the examples cited all being decried as ludicrous cheese at the time of release, and even for several army updates afterwards (as was the case with Grey Knights and Necrons, up until the end of 5th Ed and for much of Early 6th Ed respectively). We're also talking about the man who broke Fantasy 7th Edition so hard it took 8th Edition to fix it. Kelly may have screwed up, but it takes a special kind of screw up to screw over an entire game edition with a single army.

      As a result, some of us (especially given someone thought it'd be a good idea to give him a Supplement job - which resulted in more Ward being Ward) are not quite ready to ascend to the Kingdom of Ward just yet.

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  18. black templars currently are under space marines on the online store

    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1400013&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

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    1. I found a leaked teaser trailer:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwa5Ek1M_0

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    2. They've been there long before the new Codex X3

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    3. So were the Dark Angels until their release.... It confirms nothing.

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    4. ben... You must be new here.

      A long long time ago in a galaxy far far way...

      There was a time when both Dark Angels and Black Templars were under the Space Marines section. And I believe Blood Angels were too. It wasn't until Blood Angels and Dark Angels got their newest books that they were moved to their own sections.

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  19. Based on Rumors, I think your dismissal of the codex based on the Author is extremely premature. But hey what's the internet without a little irrational rage right?

    I'm really worried about CSM now. The heldrake is great. But if they(C:SM) have a Rhino variant that can take them out reliably, then what did we really get? A leadership reduction across the board, Loss of Eternal warrior for our big bad,Loss of Fearless for Oblits, and an 75 pt(minimum) character tax to use cult units as troops.

    I feel a mass abandonment of the Ruinous powers ahead. Unless that Black Legion Supplement has a LOT of love in it.

    I mean if C:SM is that good at Gunline just think about how scary it will be when they let the long fangs loose again.

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    1. Because C:IG brought us the Vendetta (ridiculously OP) and their 'meh-lites', crappy sentinels, hellhounds and penal legions from day one.

      C:Nids boxed 'Fexes of all kinds and made it one dimensional.

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    2. I'm a Emperor's Children player though... But yeah, on a "wait & see" watch for now. Depending on what happens in the next month or so I'll be either getting some dinobots or some Skaven.

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    3. Mercutioh: Chaos Space Marines still have a lot of advantages over loyalist Space Marines, including:

      Inferno Bolts (AP3)
      Maulerfiends with Lasher Tendrils severely debilitating enemy CC units
      Ectoplasma Cannons killing Termies
      Obliterators being able to answer pretty much anything at a distance
      Heldrakes are still amongst the toughest flyers in the game and Baleflamers are nasty vs anything without 2+ armour.
      Possessed can be extremely nasty when used wisely.

      Let's not forget the biggie: Veterans of the Long War.

      Not to mention just about everything is cheaper, especially Raptors, Bikers and Chaos Lords.

      There are things I wish they included in the Codex but overall it's much better than the previous one and has some great stuff.

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    4. Notice how Vendettas are so overpowered they rule every major tournament and every IG player spams them? No? Didn't notice that either.

      Vendettas are great. So are Doomscythes. So are Heldrakes. So are Psyflmen. The list goes on, each codex has it's uber shooty units and if tournies are any judge, there is actually a good variety right now besides so many Wraith/Destroyer Lord spammers out there.

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    5. I actually really liked the IG codex in 5th edition. Then again I never ran it as vehicle spam or vendetta spam. I ran all infantry all the time. I think it was a great codex, but like most of them prone to certain individuals breaking it. But then again everything is breakable....Yes even privateer press. I think 1/2 the armies at the last adepticon I attended were Khador with the same warcaster.

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    6. Harley, the proposition that just because a unit is overpowered it wins tournaments or auto wins games is an incredibly stupid one.

      The Vendetta is undercosted. For the amount of anti-tank fire it puts out, the fact its a flyer, can grav chute infantry, has AV12, amongst various other things, makes it overpowered. If a unit is undercosted by a large margin for what it does then it is overpowered by definition.

      Cruddace screwed up a large proportion of C:IG. A lot of the HQ's are meh, all of the elites choices are meh, the only decent fast attack choice is the Vendetta, ordnance batteries are meh, (uncompetitive at the very best) and Death Strikes are meh.

      If it wasn't for the fact that a lot of people weren't particularly keen on most of the crappy units to begin with there'd probably be just as much outrage as C:Nids generated. I know a lot of Nids players that are pissed that they had to shelve their 'Fexes. If it wasn't for the Biomancy powers and the Tervigon the Nid Codex would be in a very bad position.

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  20. what is damnos and arent they getting a spell deck?

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    1. Damnos was a huge Ultramarine vs Necron war. Sicarus's battle company fought to defend the planet from necron tomb on it.

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    2. still, shouldnt they get spells?

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    3. No.
      The decks in the rule book are your 'generic powers', and the imperium of man represents your 'generic faction'. I could probably see the Wolves getting their own deck, possibly the Knights and Blood Angels at a stretch (Though primaris power swaps along the lines of voice of twilight would probably be a better option with those two), but vanilla marines?
      No. Vanilla flavoured spells only.

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  21. So Chaplains get command squads?
    And I notice the Rhino/Razorback as 1 kit rumor isn't on this list.

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    1. The Rhino/Razorback kit is going to happen. It has to considering how GW has been bundling kits already.

      The main reason for it though it to open up shelf space. I'm betting they do not want to open up stores with more square footage. Rent costs more. It's also cheaper to make one box that makes all the similar kits and takes up less space for MORE and newer products.

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  22. Less expensive Vanguard Veterans, and if the rumors hold true about them becoming plastic this makes me a very happy person...for my Blood Angels anyway. Can't get enough plastic jump packs and assault bits. :)

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    1. THIS...has got to be a misprint then. No way they'd cut $5 off the Vanguard price by converting to plastic. The $5 increase for the Sternguard makes more sense, and I can stomach it if in plastic for the extra bitsies.

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    2. Still hanging on with BA in 6th edition? You my friend have earned my respect. +1

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    3. @J. Mike: Why not? Look how much cheaper Wraithguard got in the conversion to plastic; or Tyranid Raveners. How about Necron Immortals? GW has been known to cut us a break, but no one ever focuses on that because they want to be a part of the unoriginal groupthink squalor.

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  23. ROBIN "CAN'T WRITE GOOD CODEX" CRUDDACE :D Lol

    I see people still playing 5ed dex :D

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    1. Um...which they won't be able to at a tournament or any self-respecting FLGS...

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  24. Good god I am so relieved I was wrong about tacticals going to $50. That was honestly the only thing I cared about: a new tactical marine box that isn't priced too high.

    Everything else is just gravy.

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    1. Yes indeed - very good sign. Maybe they thought they'd keep the price close because they'll end up just killing with volume on this one. If the new box is any good, I'll end up buying 3 or 4.

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  25. This is very exciting news. Not disappointed one bit about not getting a monstrous walker. Didn't like the idea of Space Marines getting one anyway. Let Grey Knights be the ones to have it. They're supposed to have the newest toys anyway.

    Any news on what the Limited Edition codex's will look like? Not worth the price at all. But the Templar in me is forcing me to honor my progenitor Chapter, the Imperial Fists.

    Honor to Dorn, true Warmaster! Defender of Terra and father of the Emperor's Champion Sigismund!

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    1. I love my limited edition Dark Angels codex, though I wish the dust jacket wasn't a card stock like material.

      If they make it like my collector's edition Apoc book (really nice heavy paper pages and really nice cover to it) I might get it. Really happy on the page count though, maybe we get chapter creation rules again...

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  26. $30 for a single figure! Really??? Slick GW, real slick on the price up! Pricing the company right out of biz....great job killing a great game!

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    1. It's a kit, not a blister. Untwist.

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    2. Because that's killed them before, right? Oh wait...they are doing more in sales and volume now than ever.

      Besides, single model characters don't move in volume, so they recoup the cost by charging a premium. Troops move in volume, and that's why Marinse are still 10 for $40; that's why Wraithguard got cheaper in the move to plastic; same with Necron Immortals, etc.

      Since you only ever have to buy a single Captain or two, the $30 is easier to plan for and it's not like you'll need a squad of them.

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    3. How you figure, A little over 3% rise in sales. If you factor in inflation that 3% disappears and they show no sales growth despite pumping out new books and models every month. Also their sales numbers are down in the UK, Europe and Australia. Only a slight rise in the US and Asia is keeping the numbers even. That is right out of their report. If anything their sales are flat despite flooding the market with new product, more product than they have released in a year in awhile.

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  27. What's this we're seeing on Warseer about Templars being in the next WD Battle Report?

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  28. Remember when "They" Said they would not raise prices this year on models... Well I have to say these prices are up from recent releases, just saying cuz I dont actually play loyal marines but maybe theirs are worth taking too ;)

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    1. Wraithguard got cheaper in the move to plastic. So did Jetbikes in the move to 3. These Tactical Marines are all new sculpts and thus are not a rise in price on an old kit (and really, going from $38 to $40 isn't exactly a leap).

      They haven't raised prices on existing models this year.

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  29. Slightly off topic, but I'm guessing that it's now safe to assume that the leaked list of future releases from several months ago - the one based on an alleged box print run order or something - was total BS. Essentially nothing on that list made the Tau, Eldar, or this list.

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    1. That's because no one knows anything. Even the reliable rumor mongers from days gone by don't play these games anymore. Hit-and-miss, or they just don't care. More still like to flood the internet with false rumors to catch the moles and others who are just running with other material.

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  30. 176 pages, you can bet black Templars are in there, leaving orks as the only army still in 4th edition(sob got the wd + nobody wants to waste time or money bringing them up to date.) Orktober approaches!

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    1. ORKTOBER!!!!

      I dont even play orks and i hope it happens!

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    2. Black Templars are not in there.

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    3. Honestly, with Eldar, Dark angels and Space marines done (or soon to be). My last army to require an update are the Orks! Can't wait to see what will be their 6th edition treatment! (hope for a return to true looted wagons from other codexes)

      Next, hope to see a Nidz update soon!

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    4. Every 6th Ed codex has been an updated 4th Ed codex and this is no different. Call it what you will, ultramarines were rolled into the black Templar codex or black Templar were rolled into the ultramarines codex.

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  31. "Cover pic is a close up Ultra Marine pointing forward into battle"
    I thought it was going to be less Ultramarine heavy......

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    1. A picture does not make it "heavy."

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    2. By less ultramarines heavy they mean there will be about 70 pages dedicated to black Templar.

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  32. ...so the title reads: "No Longer Rumors. Here is The Space Marine Release "
    ...but the article reads: "Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors."

    LOL! Sorry, I know the difficulty of writing up a good article headline while still trying to stay factual. I'm just pulling your chain :)

    Thanks for posting these!!!

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  33. RIP Black Templars. Sorry GW, but I think we should break up. Its not me, its you. You just dont put out anymore.

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    1. Im sure youll figure it out eventually.

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    2. The BT's have been rolled into the Space Marine Codex.

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    3. Not to be that guy, but I don't believe a word of it.

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    4. I'm with Swimpackus40k on this, it's just too ridiculous to believe honestly.

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    5. Well you could be right. Luckily, I'm not a BT player so it doesn't matter to me much. Either way I suspect they will get a supplement if they have been rolled into the regular SM codex.

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    6. Well...again it may not be true. But its no more ridiculous than that rumor at the beginning of year that claimed GW would release more than 3 new codex's this year.

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    7. ULTRA TEMPLARS. No supplement, just a couple pages of rehashed 4th edition rules and a cover varient to shut up the customers who just got shafted as an afterthought. Hey DA, BA, and SW: enjoy the fact that GW appreciates your business and will reward you with chapter-specific books and models, and that your time, effort, and money has not been wasted.

      "Stop whining, you havent seen the book yet!"

      I am far from stupid. Squat me gently.

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    8. BT are not getting rolled into the C:SM. It's been said many times no codex were disappearing.

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    9. Were past the rumor stage. BT is in the book.

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    10. Ok then, where did you see them say BT are in the book? Unless youve seen the codex with your own eyes its still rumor

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    11. C:SM with a variant BT cover. BT battle report, which has coincided with every Codex release. Unless GW has completely fooled the world and is releasing C:BT at the same time as C:SM, but their new models have gone completely unnoticed somehow. Seems a bit unrealistic to me. But hey, Ill get back to you when the scans eventually go up.

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    12. Still everything you wrote is unproven rumor. Rumors that contradict other rumors presented on this very site. GW would not squat another codex let alone roll them into SM without a mention of even a supp. White Scars for sure would not get a supp before BT if they were indeed rolled in.

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    13. BT may get a supplement if they're lucky. Between war zone Armageddon, the battle report in white dwarf, the size of the codex and black Templars not having their own tab on gw's site it seems fairly obvious.

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  34. @Matt Kleshner
    Thanks for the rebuttal, I'd like to address some of the assessments here.

    Inferno bolts. Ap 3 rounds are great....But losing overwatch is a deal breaker.

    Ectoplasma rounds are on forgefiends. you get very few shots. Grav weapons sound like they may be an equivalent if not much better option.

    Oblits are great no argument there. Except they're no longer Fearless, Unless you want them to be Double out by Missle spam then thier price went up.So my assessment on price hikes and Loss of fearless stands here.

    Heldrakes are great. Arguably the best unit in the game ATM but Space Marines just got a hard counter in the ability to take out multiples in a single turn.

    Possessed are extremely pricey and Elites. Thus losing a good portion of their inherent value just due to the nature of mission builds.

    I'll always play Chaos. I love the models. I just wish It didn't seem like they give answers to every riddle to only one army.

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  35. i just want pictures of the new models

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  36. I'm going to have to read the codex before I commit to buying anything besides a Librarian since I wanted one anyway and the AA since I love painting tanks.

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  37. Anyone else think that the Van Guard veterans box should/could also be a cross kit with assault marines? Kinda like the Raptor/warp tallon kit.

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